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by: Satsuma | .416 Ribby or .416 Remington Magnum?
| Latest post Dec 3, 09 by Satsuma
The .416 Rigby, is a large cased, lower pressure cartridge, however the size of the cartridge is limiting to repeaters, with 2 or 3 reserve shots.
The .416 Remington Magnum is a higher pressure, high intensity cartridge (read larger catastrophic failures), that roughly is the Rigby's ballistic equal, but you may normally build it on a smaller framed action. This will mean the Remington will produce substantially more felt recoil, and more stress on the metal, IMHO.
The Rigby, I believe, would be more expensive but would always have a better resale value, and would last a lifetime, if properly maintained.
At my earliest opportunity, I plan to purchase one or the other. I am leaning toward the Ruger 77, or the CZ 550 in .416 Rigby.
Any thoughts?
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by: Satsuma | Is the revolver dead, or is it morphing into a dominant modern gun?
| Latest post Dec 3, 09 by Satsuma
Okay, I'll get it started.
I see more and more magazines leaning toward the latest "whiz bang" auto pistol, but in real life, more and more of my friends in the armed community are buying and carrying revolvers.
Revolvers had a huge resurgence with the S&W 500 Magnum X-Frames. They have appeared on TV (yes, Hollywood celebs, who preach against gun ownership actually sell people on the idea of certain guns during their shows), most notably on "Bones". When good doctor pulls out her X-Frame Smith & Wesson, I knew I would remember that scene forever. I knew I had to have one.
Clint Eastwood almost single handedly drove the price of the S&W .44 magnum through the roof! It used to cost about $250 until the movie, "Dirty Harry". Everyone just had to have "the most powerful handgun in the world". The same gun will cost about $1000 in America now. Even used, they're expensive! I bought a new one in 1982 for $550. Today used ones go in the high $800s.
The only disadvantages to revolvers that I can see is weight and capacity. Revolvers can be more accurate and more reliable that auto pistols. In most cases, revolvers are chambered in more powerful calibers, with the duly noted exceptions being: Magnum Research's Desert Eagle, as seen in nearly every movie by Arnold Schwarzenegger, Grizzly LAR's 45 Magnum, as seen in "Sniper", the ,44 Auto mag, as seen in "The Dead Pool", and the Wildey with their .475 Wildey Magnum, as seen in "Death Wish III".
It is not impossible to sound suppress a revolver, although it is expensive, unwieldy and impractical. I suppose that is another detractor to the revolver. I like suppressed weapons. If you've ever had to fire a gun indoors to "repel boarders", you will know why!
Generally speaking, modern revolvers tend to be safer and more accurate than auto pistols. To make it safe, you need only open the action. It is easier to tell when a revolver is safe, and they don't rely on magazine springs or feed ramps to work.
I can leave an auto pistol loaded in a drawer for 20 years and pick it up in an emergency and it may fail due to magazine spring failure. If the magazine spring that feeds ammunition into the barrel has been compressed too long it fatigues and won't function; where as I can pick up a revolver from a drawer from the last 20 years an fire it with reasonable certainty. Revolvers have no magazine springs.
Smith & Wesson has expanded their revolver line lately and I only lament the prices. The average S&W N Frame, double action revolver goes for 800 to 1600 USD. I used to buy them all day long in the '80s for $300-500! I have never sold one for more than $200 (albeit well used)! Their new "high tech" Performance Center Revolvers are out of this world! They are very finely tuned for specific purposes. So are the prices! I believe the prices are tuned to get the gunsmith a Porsche!
I believe S&W missed the boat on a lot of sales with their 10mm Revolver. Sure, it shoots .40 S&W or 10mm cartridges and is NEARLY as powerful as the venerable .41 Remington Magnum, but would it have been a far stretch of the imagination to extend the cylinders a little to accept the 10mm Magnum cartridge? It would be much more versatile, having the capability to fire 10mm magnum for hunting, 10mm for defense, and .40 caliber for target practice. With wild boar causing havoc in America now, it would have been a splendid hog hunter with 220 grain solids from Freak Show Ammo.
Smith and Wesson has also been tooling up and selling many revolvers that fire .45 ACP (automatic colt pistol) in "moon" clips, largely on the advice of Clint Smith, owner of Thunder Ranch, a top notch training school for shooting. These are quick to reload, but I can't see the point. Could I not get a 1911 .45 automatic that would be less cumbersome and hold more cartridges?
If I am going through that trouble to carry a big bore revolver, it had better be a full power revolver. Instead of the .45 ACP, I would much prefer 45 Long Colt, 44 Magnum or 454 Casull. I can always load down if I don't want full power, but when I come face to face with an animal, two legged or four, that intends me grievous bodily harm, I want to give him his money's worth!
Having said that, the popular Smith and Wesson J-frame or "snub nose" is still very popular amongst casual users and pistoleros. With more models coming all the time, now enhanced with laser grips that cost almost as much as the gun, and lighter than your car keys!
I have a J frame I carry when I have to conceal it and a full size gun is out of the question. Remember: The first rule of gun fighting is have a gun. Everything else is negotiable. The 38 in your pocket is ten times more powerful than the hand cannon you left in your truck, at that particular moment.
An emerging company called Cobra, is competing with Smith and Wesson for the small revolver market. They are less expensive. I have no experience with their product. I have never seen or fired one of these. They appear to copy the S&W J frame model for the most part.
Charter Arms has gone "full speed ahead" with a line of revolvers in 38 Special and .44 Special. I have fired both, and while the work and shoot well, I am skeptical about the tiny crane on the front of the cylinders. It worries me. Aside from that, they make a good companion if you can get your business done with 5 shots.
Point of fact: most confrontations with criminals are ended by the presentation of a firearm, rather than the actual discharge.
Even Ruger has come out with a new polymer revolver. The whole thing isn't polymer, just the parts that don't contain pressure. Who would've thunk it? I believe it to be the worlds first polymer revolver.
Ruger has also begun production of a new revolver in a higher powered .32 cartridge dubbed the 327 Magnum, made by Federal Ammunition. I have no information about the performance of this cart |
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